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NightOwl
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| arizonamyrie wrote: | | She's a kindergarten teacher who talked like a baby after spending a night at her special friend's house. From a professional aspect, you don't tell your students about your one-night stand and because of it, her character was instantly someone I did not like. |
She didn't tell her students that she had a one-night stand. She said, "I made a new friend. It’s so much fun to make new friends, isn’t it?" That is a completely innocent and innocuous statement. The kids had no idea of the context of her "new friend" or exactly what kind of "friend" this was.
| Poeia wrote: | | Baily, it never occured to me that Cuddy didn't get the "philospher Jagger" joke. I assumed that she either didn't have a comeback ready or, even more probably, she needed to organize her "what you need" list before she used the comeback. |
ITA with this. I never thought that Cuddy didn't know the reference. I'm fairly certain she knew that the next line is "if you try sometimes you get what you need" but she just needed some time to prepare the rest of her comeback... the part where she told House what she needed was for him to do his job, etc. I would never buy that a woman Cuddy's age does not know that reference. |
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arizonamyrie
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:04 pm Post subject: |
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| NightOwl wrote: | | Poeia wrote: | | Baily, it never occured to me that Cuddy didn't get the "philospher Jagger" joke. I assumed that she either didn't have a comeback ready or, even more probably, she needed to organize her "what you need" list before she used the comeback. |
ITA with this. I never thought that Cuddy didn't know the reference. I'm fairly certain she knew that the next line is "if you try sometimes you get what you need" but she just needed some time to prepare the rest of her comeback... the part where she told House what she needed was for him to do his job, etc. I would never buy that a woman Cuddy's age does not know that reference. |
See, I had always interpreted it as her way of putting House off. Don't give a come-back to him, and he can't give a come-back to that. To let the other person get the last word almost puts an emphasis on what you last said to that other person. In holding off on her Jagger statement, it just seems more that she knew all along what he was talking about, but didn't want to discuss the argument further at the point it took place.
As for those clips that hwshipper linked to, it makes total sense. I had always assumed the order of hiring from the eps, and Foreman did make it seem as if it were his first few days there. I'm always surprised that they didn't use him more as a way to develop an audience's introduction into the world of Greg House, being almost a guide to us.
| Quote: | | Season 1, to me, was perfection. I don't think there's a single episode I don't enjoy of the entire season. |
While there are some that didn't hold my interest as much due to the specific subject matter, I agree that at least the first half of the season was pure genius. Everything was planned out so well, and just made sense. There really wasn't anything in the script that was either unnecessary or put in just for a laugh. Every laugh had a meaning to it. When the series seemed to be picked up for a full season, then there were some things thrown in more as fill or gags. And S2 and later, the writers seemed to throw jokes in for the sake of House being funny, not for the sake of House being House. But that's for a different discussion altogether. |
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bailey
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Night Owl wrote: |
ITA with this. I never thought that Cuddy didn't know the reference. I'm fairly certain she knew that the next line is "if you try sometimes you get what you need" but she just needed some time to prepare the rest of her comeback... the part where she told House what she needed was for him to do his job, etc. I would never buy that a woman Cuddy's age does not know that reference. |
I wouldn't buy that a woman her age didn't know the reference, either, that's why it rung as odd to me. And I also thought it was weird that she would need so much time to prep her comeback considering that what she wanted House to do (his job, his clinic hours) really hadn't changed much from the beginning of the episode to the end. She was hounding him start to finish. Anyway, like I said, it was meant to be a joke for the episode, it just rang kind of weak for me.
I will now officially stop discussing the philosopher Jagger.
| Arizonamyrie wrote: |
As for those clips that hwshipper linked to, it makes total sense. I had always assumed the order of hiring from the eps, and Foreman did make it seem as if it were his first few days there. I'm always surprised that they didn't use him more as a way to develop an audience's introduction into the world of Greg House, being almost a guide to us.
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I think that's what I most enjoyed about the team was because they were all such good vehicles for understanding the world of Greg House. It made sense to me that Foreman, as the newbie, would have stark reactions to House immediately, likely not encountering anything like him before, while Cameron and Chase try to lightly show him the path on which to tread when working with House. It made complete sense to me that Chase, while somewhat reserved, would see in House something of a father figure to please and revere. And to a greater extent, it made sense to me that Cameron would gradually be learning medical lessons along the way while finding House attractive despite his sharp facade. I connected with the team because I was learning House while they were learning House. And they liked him. They appreciated him, they were amazed by him, they wanted to learn from him.
This goes a long way in explaining why the new team absolutely does not work for me in any way. I wasn't opposed to them bringing in new players onto the show, but I feel like the execution has been so strikingly unrealistic that it pulls me out of the storyline entirely. Often times, it just plain ends up boring me. The fact that the new team already knows House inside and out is tedious and unbelievable. None of them seem to care much about House and you get the sense they'd all rather be somewhere else. (I'd rather they be somewhere else, too.)
House seems thorny but very much human in season one. He has an absolute dignity about him and seemed like an adult. (In fact, I recall that being one of my first realizations about House in that Hugh was so adept at such a thoroughly American, mature role.) I like that House is impish, but when they play up the childish aspects of him, I start to zone out. I loathe all the "Aw, mooooom" dialogue with Cuddy which seems to rule nowadays.
I also miss the fact that many of the ethical arguments that took place included hospital counsel as an opposing point of view. I guess when Stacy left, she took all the lawyers with her. |
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NightOwl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:12 pm Post subject: |
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| bailey wrote: | | I wouldn't buy that a woman her age didn't know the reference, either, that's why it rung as odd to me. |
Hence, there is no reason to think she didn't know the reference.
The scene cut away immediately after House said, "Well, like the philosopher Jagger once said, 'You can’t always get what you want.'"
So I just re-read part of the transcript, the scene in which she comes back with the next line of the song.
This is the scene in which House goes after Cuddy because she pulled his authorization to run tests (the MRI he wanted to do). This is her way of getting him to do clinic duty. If he won't do clinic duty, then she won't let him run tests on his regular patient. In order to be able to test his regular patient, then, he has to do clinic duty. This was her way of painting him into a corner, getting what SHE needed out of him (clinic duty).
So I guess it's not so much that she needed time to prepare her retort; it's that she needed time to set things up behind the scenes. House responds to action. She needed to set the wheels in motion... pull his authorization to run tests. That was how she got what she needed from him, so it's only when he came to yell at her about that that she quoted the next line of the song. She was making a point about why she pulled his privileges. Now that she had acted and found a way to manipulate him, she threw his own "philosophy" back in his face; I didn't think it was weak at all. |
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ok, I am one of those who wouldn't have comeback for a second ep. Luckily my first ep was "Maternity".
ITA with NightOwl Cuddy needed time to retort properly and assert her authority. This is perhaps what I miss the most, an assertive, professional Cuddy. I don´t like it when House whines and gets everything he wants. Because then he seems more like a bratty child than a brilliant, cranky adult. |
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bailey
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| NightOwl wrote: | | Now that she had acted and found a way to manipulate him, she threw his own "philosophy" back in his face; I didn't think it was weak at all. |
I meant that I found the joke to be weak, not Cuddy. Would that we could actually have that Cuddy back. That's the Cuddy I loved. Rhetorically, others may have loved the joke. I didn't. YMMV. |
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NightOwl
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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I was referring to the joke, actually.  I didn't think it was a weak joke; I thought it was great. It was a nice callback to House's earlier comment.
It probably wasn't clear, because my post was quite rambly.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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| bailey wrote: |
I meant that I found the joke to be weak, not Cuddy. Would that we could actually have that Cuddy back. That's the Cuddy I loved. Rhetorically, others may have loved the joke. I didn't. YMMV. |
I found it to be a "gimme" line in the pilot -- wholly expected -- but what I love is how many times they've called back to that moment and that theme since then, from its use in "Honeymoon" on through to Amber's statement on the bus.
I think that if they'd used it once and dropped it, it'd be a relatively lame joke. The fact that they've turned it into a continuing commentary on House's point of view is fantastic, and yet another thing that's been surprising about the show in general -- how they set things up that can pass by, but are then built on. (Chase's lack of commentary on his father's death isn't an "oh they forgot about that," but rather his intentional attempt to hide it, for instance.) |
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Cutie Honey
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Sorry to bump an old thread, but I just was watching the first few episodes of season 1, and absolutely loved the music in the Pilot. Was I the only one who really enjoyed it? I wish the series had more "light hearted" music like that.
And, wow, I'm amazed at how much Wilson has changed since Season 1. He's like a totally different person now.
In season 1 he was ... happy. He smiled alot.. His eyes sparkled when he talked... even when he was annoyed at House. |
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Poeia
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2008 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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By all means, bump old threads. HHoW started during the summer between S3 and S4. The old threads are here for just that reason.
It's been a while since I saw the Pilot. The only music I remember is that was when they introduced the "You Can't Always Get What You Want" theme. I went to Play House and that's the only song they have listed. Nevertheless, but I have always loved how they've used that song as a thread running through the series.
Looking at your link, I see it's the background music you're talking about. I always found that to be a little sad, not light-hearted.
As for Wilson, we have definitely seen more layers to him since the pilot. I'm not sure whether the other characters (except House) have seen through the facade of normalcy he has in place (they probably did during the Tritter arc), but for the viewers, it has become pretty obvious that he's as screwed up as House is. |
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Lully
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| Quote: | | I'm amazed at how much Wilson has changed since Season 1. He's like a totally different person now. |
Well, now we actually know the character better than in the first episodes. And a lot of things happened in Wilson's (and House's) life during this five years that changed or exposed the real character behind the cute façade.
Personally I think Wilson started to show his true colors during Detox, and this was early S1. And during his speech in B&B it was quite clear that he didn't think his personal life was a particularly happy one. |
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I also posted this in the fanfic thread but thought I'd put it here as well.
Not exactly fic but Sheep has returned with a Not Very Informative Recap of the Pilot |
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Poeia
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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On the Season 5 DVD, in the House Guests: Casting the Show, they freeze on a page in the actual script from the Pilot (which was called "Everybody Lies.")
| Quote: | | And through this mess comes a 38 year old man, JACK WILSON. He carries himself with the confidence of one blessed with the power to heal (he also carries a thick folder filled with MRI, charts, test results, etc.). His usual purposeful stride has been slowed somewhat so that the man beside him can keep pace. GREG HOUSE, 45, brilliant but scarred, wields the truth like a sword - and isn't afraid to cut you. He walks with a cane and pain (the latter he hides, the former he wishes he could). He speaks and thinks quickly - and doesn't wait for others to catch up. Wilson is his best friend, his only friend - though you'd be hard pressed to describe even this relationship as friendly. As House pops a pill in his mouth (something he does frequently)... |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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So cool! Thanks for posting that, Poeia.
I guess it's clear then why the props people made Wilson a tag that reads Jack instead of James. |
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