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Namaste Duckling

Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 2780
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Ah, the great Hector Timeline Debate.
Bonnie said in one episode that they got Hector on their honeymoon when he was a puppy.
In another episode, Wilson said that Hector was 17.
So you can put them together and say that Bonnie and Wilson married 17 years before that period. The alternate take is that Hector wasn't literally a "puppy" but rather a young dog when they got him.
Since Season Five -- Birthmarks and Social Contract -- puts House and Wilson's meeting at a time when Wilson was in his mid-to late 20s (post med-school/residency) it's more likely that they've known each other for less than 15 years, possibly as little as 12. So the Hector timeline of 17 years doesn't really work. |
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Ariadne Fellow
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 946
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:34 am Post subject: |
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We don't know how old Wilson is right now. RSL is around forty but that doesn't mean that Wilson is.
Sara Hess wrote all of House Training (the Hector timeline), Birthmarks and Social Contract. Is she contradicting herself?
I find SH tends to mess with timelines a lot. If Cuddy is 38 as she said in Social Contract, then she only became Dean of Medicine two years before the show started and couldn't have been the doctor in charge of House's case in Three Stories since she would have been in her second year of residency in endocrinology and neither anywhere around House's case (a surgical/haematology case) or with enough stature or knowledge to take over his case when the ER docs botched it. It also negates Vogler's statement that House had been making Cuddy's life miserable for 8 years since she wouldn't have been around him in a professional capacity while she was still a resident.
(It also calls into question how House, who notices everything, could not have noticed that Cuddy sitting next to him in med school whose notes he copied was 11 years younger than him and possibly only 14- 16 years old.) |
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maya Resident

Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 360
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ariadne wrote: | | I liked Cuddy much more in those days when she was first a hospital administrator and less an enabler for House. That said, Wilson had done nothing wrong and he was the head of her oncology department so she should have supported him. Any way you look at it, Vogler was wrong to demand House's firing and Cuddy should have fought him on that. Besides, Vogler only did it was as a power play so Cuddy should have shut him down if only to save the hospital. |
I don’t see how any of this contradicts my original point that Cuddy did vote to keep Wilson on the board.
| Quote: | | When House told Cuddy to talk to Wilson and get him to break up with Amber, she went straight to Wilson to do what House wanted. She didn't evaluate the situation for herself and talk to Wilson to see whether he was happy or not or if he was delusionable about Amber, she took House's word for it when she didn't really know Amber at all (see her comments to House in Games on who he should fire). When Amber was dying, she was supportive but then in Dying Changes Everything, she wanted Wilson to make up with House because that's what was better for House, not what Wilson needed or wanted. When it comes to House vs Wilson, she stands by House every time whether House is right or not. |
I was listing the instances when Cuddy has been there for Wilson.The fact that she priotirized House over him in "DCE" doesn't negate the fact that she stood by him during the Amber crisis.
| Quote: | | What was there to snitch? House knew that Wilson was the mastermind behind it.. |
Cuddy didn’t tell House about Wilson’s involvement in the scheme in either “Detox” or “Meaning”. House never found out he was involved in “Detox” while he guessed he was involved in “Meaning” and confronted him about it. If you’re favorably disposed towards the character you can argue that she takes responsibility for her actions and is not a snitcher. If you’re not then you can argue that she doesn’t snitch on Wilson because she needs him to control House and exposing him will defeat the purpose. Why Cuddy didn’t tell House is open to question which is why I added the MMV to my point.
| alias_smith wrote: | | It seems to me, that in the "he's a catch" category, neither House nor Wilson are very strong contenders. |
I agree. What Cuddy knows about Wilson is that he has three failed marriages which is not a good track record by any standards, in my opinion. He doesn’t have kids despite being married thrice and he evaded her question about whether he wanted to be a father during their dinner in “Forever”, so as far as she can tell he probably doesn’t want to be a parent.
| sdemar wrote: | | Forget the complications that would go with it, as far as which one Cuddy would lay down at night with, I think it is House hands down. |
As House told Wilson in season one, "She only has thighs for me".  |
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Ariadne Fellow
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 946
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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I'd forgotten about Detox. It's true she could have told House that it was Wilson's idea. But what would it have gained her, other than to hurt House's friendship with Wilson, a friendship she needs because she counts on Wilson to help handle House? Whatever the reason she didn't tell, whether it's about taking responsibility for her actions or protecting her House sitter, she did the smart thing in not telling House. (It was that last scene in Detox that made me a Wilson/Cuddy shipper back in season 1. I wrote a fanfic about what everyone did after the end of the episode and had Wilson and Cuddy go for dinner and dancing and talk about House.) In Meaning, House figured out that it was Wilson's idea without Cuddy saying anything.
Cuddy voting to keep Wilson on the board was part of her job, not a sign of friendship towards Wilson.
| Quote: | | The fact that she priotirized House over him in "DCE" doesn't negate the fact that she stood by him during the Amber crisis. |
I think it reflects on how much she cares about Wilson. If it's a question of helping House while Wilson maintains his status quo, I'm all for helping House. But in Dying Changes everything and again after Kutner's death, she was willing to have Wilson hurt more in order to make it better for House. When Wilson said "I can't do this, I hurt too much myself", she pressed the buttons the made Wilson do it. (Wilson needs to take responsibility that he did but that's his damage.) As ixtab said in another thread, Cuddy is willing to throw Wilson to the wolves for House's sake and that kills any possibility of a Cuddy/Wilson hook-up for me.
Cuddy's role in WH is a sore point for me because I think it reflects more how its writers Lerner, Friend and Blake like writing for Cuddy a lot than the events coming out of the show's canon. |
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alias_smith Resident
Joined: 17 Dec 2007 Posts: 134 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | In another episode, Wilson said that Hector was 17.
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Well, that's 119 in people years. Hector was remarkably spry for being so ancient. |
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maya Resident

Joined: 19 Jan 2009 Posts: 360
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Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2009 11:12 am Post subject: |
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Ariadne, I don’t agree that it was her job to save Wilson when she voted to keep him on the board. She seemed genuinely concerned about him in “Wilson’s Heart” when she convinced him to wake Amber up to say goodbye, gave him as much leave as he needed and visited him. What happened in DCE or SE doesn’t change that for me.
I am not arguing that Cuddy is Wilson’s guardian angel but neither do I see her as a vampire who’s sucking away at his angelic giving spirit till she bleeds him dry. I am not sure if you got a chance to read all of what I wrote in that post of mine from three months back that you quoted from but I am going to draw your attention to a part of it before this becomes a circular, repetitive discussion:
| Quote: | | I think it’s an interesting dynamic because it shows us that Cuddy can be ruthless when she wants something – in this case House (or his well being, anyway). It shows us that Wilson is no fool and he can tell when he’s being manipulated. And it also shows us that Wilson doesn’t really have anyone caring about him at times when he needs it. House cares about him but he’s always taken more from Wilson than he's given (Vogler, Tritter) although of late that has changed ("Wilson's Heart", "TSS"). In any case, he's not the type of person who'll ask Wilson how he's doing. Cuddy cares about him when he's in a crisis (Vogler, Amber) but she becomes oblivious to his needs and even manipulative of him when House enters the picture (Tritter, DCE, Simple Explanation). |
That is how I see their relationship over all five seasons. I don’t have anything more to add to that and I am not going to see things much differently till next season airs and we learn something new about their relationship. |
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Ariadne Fellow
Joined: 09 Jun 2008 Posts: 946
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:50 am Post subject: |
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From the spoiler thread | Quote: | | I think it has been obvious that Cuddy and Wilson have been more than co-workers. They have conspired together against House, gone on a date, and other interaction that is outside the working relationship. For me, I believe that Cuddy cares a lot about Wilson. How can you forget that tender scene during Wilson's Heart when Cuddy encourages him to wake up Amber. Sorry I don't think they are trying to sell anything to us. |
While Wilson did want to help Cuddy in season 3 because he thought she worked too hard and in Big Baby because House was attacking her confidence in herself and he wanted to help her (Wilson's weakness is to try to take care of others), other than in WH Cuddy's relationship with Wilson has always revolved around House and she's always put House first and asked Wilson to do the same even when Wilson said he couldn't do it because it cost him too much. The H/W/Cu triangle wasn't there from the beginning of the show but was created in the second half of season 3 by shutting out House's relationships with Chase and Cameron (as individuals) and Wilson's relationship with Cameron, and leaving only House with Wilson and Cuddy as friends. I think that move hurt the show by limiting the overall dramatic potential.
| Quote: | | I don’t agree that it was her job to save Wilson when she voted to keep him on the board |
Vogler was going to get rid of Wilson for no good reason other than Wilson wasn't knuckling down to him are the other board members were. (Another thing that wasn't realistic, real board members are lawyers and businessmen and other professionals and they wouldn't have been these meek sheep as they were shown.) Cuddy may have felt more for Wilson than just as another doctor but it was her job as Dean of Medicine to prevent wrongful dismissals of her doctors and that very clearly was one.
| Quote: | | Cuddy cares about him when he's in a crisis (Vogler, Amber) but she becomes oblivious to his needs and even manipulative of him when House enters the picture (Tritter, DCE, Simple Explanation). |
I think WH was the only episode where Cuddy showed real caring for Wilson (and I have issues with that episode which stem from who wrote it and their admission that they have no idea how to write Chase and Cameron into the show because I think if anyone should have been helping Wilson say goodbye to Amber it should have been Cameron, who had not only lived it but has been shown to be a friend to Wilson in previous seasons). Other than that, she cares about Wilson only when House tells her to (DEC) or when she needs Wilson to help with House.
I don't think that Cuddy is a vampire who is sucking Wilson dry but I do think that House is what she really cares about. She may spare Wilson a thought if she can use him, as a House interpreter, a baby daddy or a House sitter, but he's never been important to her as a individual (e.g. Cameron softened towards House in Words & Deeds when she heard that he had apologized to Wilson; I don't remember anything like that from Cuddy.) That's why I find it hard to buy the House/Cuddy/Wilson BFF. It used to be House/Wilson, with them both commenting on Cuddy, or House and Cuddy. At five seasons into the show the three of them have never socialized together (as Chase, Cameron and Foreman have) although House and Wilson often get together. To make the three of them buddies at this point feels like a re-writing of canon. |
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filmlover Resident

Joined: 18 May 2009 Posts: 379 Location: Michigan
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Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 11:31 am Post subject: |
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So far we've had a couple of good scenes between Wilson and Cuddy.
I like learning that they meet for lunch every Tuesday(I think that was the day).
We see that even if House no longer worked at the hospital, Wilson would still go to Cuddy as his partner where House is concerned. Of course, who else would he go to? |
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